The Disillusioned View of North Korea
It is not unrealistic to understand that not every country or culture on this earth appreciates nor respects the position we hold as the world's only (active) superpower. In our situation we can come off as overbearing and overreaching. Our american-centric view of how the world should operate is shortsighted and ignorant. Obviously these factors go into what forms others' opinions of us. It is clear that there are many countries finally tired enough of our imposition that have decided to stand up against the coercion and chose their own paths.
Having said that, I applaud the self-determination and sovereignty of any culture /nation. I think every nation with a legitimate, for-the-people government, should have a nuke. I think every american, from 18 to 2 minutes after death, should own and carry a firearm. But sometimes people and nations make a noose out of the rope they are given. I hope N.K. will use their power wisely as a nose-thumbing to the rest of the world. If not, they should be prepared for the shitstorm us nuclear countries will unleash on their puny asses.
Having said that, I applaud the self-determination and sovereignty of any culture /nation. I think every nation with a legitimate, for-the-people government, should have a nuke. I think every american, from 18 to 2 minutes after death, should own and carry a firearm. But sometimes people and nations make a noose out of the rope they are given. I hope N.K. will use their power wisely as a nose-thumbing to the rest of the world. If not, they should be prepared for the shitstorm us nuclear countries will unleash on their puny asses.
posted by Dorman at 18:22
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I think every nation with a legitimate, for-the-people government, should have a nuke.
Are you telling me that you think North Korea is a legitimate, for-the-people government? Come on. Please tell me I'm just imagining things. I'm reading it wrong. I know it. Otherwise, pass whatever it is you're smoking, because your disillusionment is grand...
I think you are missing it.
IL: It is a legitimate gov't. maybe it sucks but it is not Hezbollah or Hammas running the show. That was the distinction I was making, not an enemy / ally one.
He's a psychotic despot, handed the reins by his psychotic despot father. He starves his people in lieu of making nuclear weapons. How 'bout we split hairs and I give you a pseudo-illegitimate, who-gives-a-shit-about-the-people, sham of a government.
agreed, adjectives aside, it is the secure reigning officially recognized gov't of that nation. not an al-qaeda type militia.
yeah, real legitimate. this may not be hamas or al qaeda, but its still messed up. letting your people starve because of mismanagement and corruption just so you can spend billions pissing off the US and other super powers including one of your closest allies just to build a bomb is just absolutely crazy...
and seriously, it doesn't matter if everyone should have the right to have the bomb. what good can come of any more governments, legitimate or not, acquiring the bomb? especially one that is as unstable and untrustworthy as North Korea, just makes the world more dangerous and more insane. philosophical rights aside, it just sucks.
It’s official, I’m a tard…
letting your people starve because of mismanagement and corruption just so you can spend billions pissing off....
and you don't see the applicability to your own beloved america? it is all perspective folks and you all need to get outside the box and see what WE do in the eyes of the world instead of what we want to believe we do. That is my point.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061011/ts_nm/korea_north_usa_envoy_dc_2
I guess satellite heat signature detection, fallout and residual radiation detection, etc aren't being used anymore? We want to keep the air of mystery and suspicion going so we can play political poker with every country on the map. It is a nuke for shit sake!! How easy can it be to cover up?
You're pointing to the starving folks in our country, right? Do you have any ideas about what to do about them? Welfare doesn't seem to be a cure. I've thought about that and I personally am not creative enough to solve the problem (or I, too, could run for office...become terribly corrupt...and run the world-bwahahaha! Oh, excuse me...)
It seems to me that the government is willing to throw billions of $ at lots of worthy causes(like education-because I'm an educator I always want to start there) and not so worthy ones...and somewhere along the line it ALL gets mismanaged-regardless of the original intentions. (Throw in road to hell--good intentions)
Do we blame the folks at the top? Do we blame "we the people" for voting for the top? Do we blame the middle? I get tired of blaming but don't know what I can do to fix shit.
Sorry, this is about North Korea, and I got way off topic. I don't know what to do about that either. The yahoo article makes me think of local gossip. "Did they or didn't they?-Who cares! Just act like they did." Lately, politics have seemed so grade school playground to me.
Didn't you do a whole post once about how al-qaeda was a construct of our gov't to offer a pretend legitimacy to the Iraq thing? Did I misunderstand or confuse you with someone else, did you change your mind, or did you just use it without thinking (because it's, like, all over the media still)?
One of Many....
That was me that made the claims about al-qaeda, and I stand by it. Listening to the president speak today I found that I could accept his rhetoric on N.K. but then the questioning went back to Iraq. i heard him say one of the dumbest and most infuriating statements any idiot has ever uttered. He said, "Some people want us to leave the war in Iraq before we have accomplished our goal. But if we do then the terrorists will come here."
I can't even coherently respond because I am boiling on so many levels.
As for the poor in this country and the myriad of our other social woes, I will prescribe what I think is the panacea....governmental overthrow and start fresh with a socialist democracy like all our allies have (britain, germany, france, etc.) After all we helped establish many of these gov'ts at one time or another, curious we don't create our offspring in our image. face it, we are not a free-market representative democracy anymore. We have become federalized and a closet socialist nation. Any federal gov't that regulates trade, health care, salaries, welfare, etc, is essentially a socialist gov't. The only rub is that until we admit this to ourselves and retool the gov't to what works for us as a people, we continue to operate under the guise of a free-market society in which business and corprations are the primary concern.
Don't get me wrong, a free market with unteathered business and corporate practices is ideal....coupled with a centralized government dedicated to the benefit of its citizens.
Until then, personal responsibility and the end of MULTICULTURALISM is the key to overcoming our social woes. If you (permanently) can't feed yourself or your family, then you ain't trying. Sometimes work is uncomfortable but necessary.
I'm sorry you're boiling.
As far as not creating the others in our image, maybe it's a case of if you can do, if you can't teach... 8 )
I agree our gov't is now a beached whale. Flopping about ineffectively in many ways. But this overthrow thing, that kind of stuff scares me some. I think revolutions are hard to do right, aren't they? (A friend pointed out to me that they're also generally hard to do without bloodshed.) The orange scarf people are the only ones I can think of that have gotten it right in the last several years. (As in-actually getting the gov't you meant to-Are they still doing okay?) There may have been others I missed.
"A free market with unteathered business and corporate practices is ideal....coupled with a centralized government dedicated to the benefit of its citizens." Can the ideal exist in reality?
Is that what Germany is? (sorry, I'm a typically ignorant american) Because don't Britain and France both have serious problems including high unemployment, etc? But they keep the the people fed, right? And everyone has medical care, and...well, I don't know about the rest of the benefits of socialist democracy.
I'm afraid that the power/corruption thing always wins. Isn't that what usually mucks up good revolutions? Good leaders are very hard to find and even harder to keep. Do you think it's even possible for "we the people" to focus on a shining goal like that anymore?
it is all perspective folks and you all need to get outside the box and see what WE do in the eyes of the world instead of what we want to believe we do.
Even though I haven't been outside the country as long as you, I still got a feel for how other countries view us.
Too many people in this country have the mindset of " I don't care what other countries/people of the world think ". I can't imagine a more ignorant, F'ed up way of thinking.
Too many people believe that it is the rest of the world that needs to conform to our belief's, our ideal of "democracy".
Bush uses the "terrorists will come here" BS because the majority of this country are easily scared and too dense to figure out it's just scare tactics and manipulation. And those same people get mad when people in other countries saw that we are dumb or ignorant or rude or self-centered.
Be prepared for a terror alert level to be raised in about 2 weeks.
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