Sunday, May 22, 2005

Boiling Frogs

Looking back on American History, many of us can easily remember the famous wars we have fought Gulf War, Viet Nam, WWI, WWII, Civil War, Revolutionary War. But taking a more academic look, one will find that in the history of America as a recognized nation, it is difficult to find a decade that is without conflict. Through the Gulf War, we Americans have focused on fighting a traditional type conflict; well-defined enemies, political motivations, clear territorial lines, a declaration of war and a declaration of peace. Since the Gulf War, we have become mired in a new sensibiltiy of armed conflict. You can't call it war anymore since the only similarity are the casualties produced. Our motives have become convoluted, our leaders displaying less interest in moving America into a time of domestic equilibrium while becoming more blatant in their self-serving actions. Our wars have little but a headline's worth of meaning at their declaration, and their conclusions are found only on government issued stationary. The war I am currently fighting is by no definition a war like any other, even Viet Nam was better defined. Statistically, this war was over 2 years ago, so says a piece of paper that allowed our government to generate some interesting numbers like a bar bat between friends on who could kick Saddam's ass more efficiently. This war, when it was officially considered a war, produced less casualties than the Gulf War, was over in relatively the same time, and was able to topple a government while getting some good PR photos of Saddam in a spider hole. I guess this administration wins.

Previously, a declaration of the end of hostilities would be followed by an exit and or reconstruction plan. The Marshall Plan is arguably the most famous and effective. After WWII, reconstruction began on Europe. America played a huge role in rebuilding infrastructure (roads, buildings, power plants, etc) and governments. Our current war has no such exit plan. Donald Rumsfeld was asked about how long we would stay involved in Iraq. His response was, "sooner or later they (the insurgency) will get tired of being killed." I have been witness to our "reconstruction efforts". The current push is to "commercialize". That sounds good in conversation but how is it being effected? After 2 years since the end of the war, we have civilian contractors commercializing one of the largest bases in Iraq with high-speed laser based wireless networking and internet using the latest Cisco hardware. The juxtapositioning bewilders me. The country is near a stone-age level quality of life, except for urban areas, with sky-high illiteracy rates, incomplete electrical power grid, barely driveable roads where roads are available, no drinkable sources of water in rural areas. This is the infrastructure chosen to be emplaced now. The surrounding infrastructure off-base is unable to support such a technology. Maybe in the larger cities like Tikrit and Baghdad, high speed internet would be a good third-phase feature, but now it shines as a monumental lack of priorities. American citizens need to demand to know where the war budget is being spent. Eighty-two billion dollars and no one is holding the reconstruction process accountable for reponsible progress. The Marshall Plan took 7 years.

Interesting to note that our motivation at the time of port-WWII reconstruction was to establish 'free' nations, but not one government was modelled after the government we've used for over 200 years. Germany, for example is a Socialist Democracy. Germany has not seen conflict since 1945. Socially, Germany is very stable also. As in most of Western Europe, there is a nationalism that is the common bond amongst its citizens; Germans are Germans, French are French, without fear of their pride. If a German doesn't like France, that German doesn't have to live or visit there, they can go back to their respective homeland. We Americans have partially disposed of such sentiments. We are afraid to say it, guilty for feeling it. There is no American birthrite because we have been so shamed into believing that we owe everyone something for our past actions. Because there seems to be an endless tap pouring out reparations for past national sins, we've been split into essentially two groups. The first group is those that feel entitled to something for free; like a warranty return on the American Dream. Something bad happened to their Grandaddy and their lives aren't ever the same unless the government supplies them a handout. Their efforts go into getting more and more 'civil rights' instead of working toward and honorable and productive life. The term 'civil rights' has lost its preiously lofty meaning and been commonly used in place of the term 'free government money'. This group is commonly recognized as the hyphenated-American; African-American, gay-American, muslim-American. Hyphenation means they can keep ahold of what gives them the guilt-foothold on American society, but still identify with the rest of the nation byleaving on the predicate.

The other group, formed by our national shame, is the folks that are paying, quietly, for our demise. Whether they have been scared into silence, realized the futility of politics, or have been so programmed by liberal propaganda that they truly will hand over the farm to anyone they feel sorry for, they all fit the bill of the grand enabler. Inaction is this groups characteristic. Like a huge dysfunctional family, this groups sits by and watches the alcoholic parent abuse the kids in silence. Maybe it is the general delusion generated and spoon fed to them by the corporate media (notice the use of the term) that placates them into the cow-eyed stupor they sustain while paying increasing tax dollars to fund the first group, while accepting increasing numbers of American casualties with no apparent national gain at the completion of the occupation in Iraq, while they sit and watch reality on TV as the time honored institutions that society has been based upon are eroded to eleviate the shame felt by the extreme minority.

This is the modern day invasion. A social takeover of systematic desentization in which our minds, bodies, society, and our children are at stake. Gay marriage, child abductions, body modification, self-effacing guilt from 9/11, the bastardization of current 'civil rights' movements, these are all symptoms of a national sickness, the decay of an American Standard, our fear to fight to keep it. There is no peace when preparing for, or recovering from, an invasion. Ours is a social invasion by an endless stream of minority groups refusing to adopt the American dream in lieu of the American handout.

How does the American occupation of Iraq have anything to do with the social decay in America? Simple, it is the largest symptom evidenced by our depravity. A new, insidious, and subtle form of imperialism that has been widely accepted through the inaction of the American public. We have accepted the idea of an open-ended, money-funnelling, war when we were first sold on the idea of a War on Drugs. Ridiculous premise. Now we have an unwinnable War on Terror. What standard will that war be measured on? How is one identified as an enemy? How does a nation erase the ill-will it feels, when terrorism is bred and held in the hearts of men? We alienate ourselves as Americans by minority rule and endless hyphenations. The ethical majority has been muted with fear or shame, and our dysfunction has spread throughout the world in the form of the oxymoronic "armed peacekeeping missions". We are unhappy with ourselves as a society and are looking to be distracted by a common enemy. Those enemies, like bin Laden, do exist. But if he is caught, without that emblem of evil, might we have to focus on policing ourselves?

55 Comments:

Blogger mattandriver said...

I find myself coming to the same conclusions in other situations in life. But, upon further investigation, the pieces start pointing in a slightly different direction. Sometimes I all but agree with the strategy after being enlightened on all the facts involved.

Sometimes people think that have all the facts in a given situation, but are almost ignorant to the whole truth. Is this the case here? I have absolutely no clue! But, just please assume is it for one minute. Think 'out of the box' on this once. Use your imagination to it's extreme and try to justify the things you are seeing on a larger scale. One that you are only seeing a minuet part of. In every situation, there are at least 2 sides to the story and until you learn them in detail, you are assuming the wrong ending. It is human nature for us to take what we have seen, no matter how sheltered of a picture it may be, and use it to prove a point in the 'big picture'.

Personally, I agree with you on many levels. But, you compared the U.S. with Germany. Lets compare the U.S. with the middle east. Pick any country you want. This region has been at war since 'the beginning of time'. These people were fighting with each other over land, religion, and personal issues thousands of years before the U.S. was even thought of. From a biblical stand point, the world started here, and it may just end here as well.

If you were to ask me what to do, this would be my plan. Pull out all who do not belong. Nuke the place. The sand turns to glass in the heat. Cut the class and sell it. Pave it all over. Then make the worlds biggest mall. But, that is not going to happen.

Remember the good things about the U.S. like Beer and Wings!!! Wings dude! Wings!

JL

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07:29  
Blogger SnotSucker said...

Ummm, you forgot one thing. Before you pave over remember to get that damn oil first!! That way I can continue to drive my environmentally unfriendly SUV to work each day with my rose colored glasses on and not having to worry about what is wrong with America while watching the rich get richer and the middle class get BOHICA'd!!

09:42  
Blogger Dorman said...

The rich get richer because they work for themselves, or maybe because we pay $100 for tickets to a ball game. The middle class gets shit because they work to pay for the growing welfare class.

And the idea of 'environmentally unfriendly' puhleeease. How about the idea of common sense. I saw a woman driving a dual-axle pickup truck to wal-mart once. Why does anyone need such a vehicle to pick up some junk?

Anyway, the comaprisons to Germany and France are first hand experienceand also not meant to hold either up as shinig beacons, but life is a hell of a lot better in Germany.
The Marshall plan is the example of a well executed and mutually beneficial foreign policy. We came, we destroyed, we rebuilt, we left. But the failure here is that we all expect the Iraqi society to be something it hasn't been in 1000 years. These folks live in the stone age for the most part. What level of society did you or the common American think we would help build here?

09:51  
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10:02  
Blogger SnotSucker said...

The previous post was intended sarcasm!
Some wealthy entrepreneurs are worthy of their hard work and financial status. However many are not and feel they should be exempt. http://southernstudies.org/facingsouth/2005/04/wal-mart-goes-after-estate-tax.asp
I thought our country was based on equality? So why should someone that makes more money pay less taxes while the middle class continues to get the shaft?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-05-03-csm-social_x.htm

This is why rebuilding in Iraq will not work. We are not concerned with their reestablishment, but rather the $$$ that can be made from forcing our ideals and commercialization on their society. I'm sure in the 1940's the shareholders and their dividends did not have as much of a say in rebuilding Germany as they do in Iraq. BTW where is the closest laser network to Pa?

10:16  
Blogger Dorman said...

Guess I hit a nerve, sorry. But let's look at what we Americans advertise to the rest of the world. I got an outside-looking-in view for 18 months, and it is hard to ignore. I say these indictments out of great sadness. I joined the Army out of great pride before all this Iraq nonsense hit the fan. I also worked as a middle class guy and a social worker so I got to see where our money goes and how it is used. Let's not deny it. I continue to throw up the ugly side of America so that it can change. Fear of expression and denial keep the trend going the way it has been going. How would you like to have dedicated 5+ years of your life to a cause to find that the cause has taken an unrespectable turn? While I am out defending myself on convoys, or maintaining communication systems, the people back home are acting nuttier by the day, abusing and taking for granted the rights we enlisted fight for. So if anyone should be pissed off, it's you AND me. Look at the headlines, that's my homeland too. Support from people that believe in the good things America once was is well appreciated. But we're not in Iraq to fight for or defend anything for the common American. My wish is for every American to investigate for themselves what is going on here and why. Then make changes.

10:19  
Blogger Dorman said...

Snot, I was hoping someone would have picked up on that when I wrote about the $82B. The fact is that there is a fund we can get monthly, $15000, called a FOO fund or something like that. That money is solely for base improvements to be purchased through an Iraqi vendor. How many Iraqi-Marts are near me? none. The major cities, which really aren't that big anyway, are where the vendors are. So, Haji sees the cash but has to run to baghdad to get the goods.

All the while, KBR is here paying folks $10,000 a month, yes a month, to be a glorified warehouse jockey, or do laundry. Paying insiders to come install bleeding edge and expensive tech on a low-tech base in a stone-age area is a little to obvious for me not to consider it simple money funneling. Most of the companies here are American. Many fall under the same parent companies. It honestly makes little sense to me. You've seen the video, people live in mud houses. In town, they move up to using bricks on the rich homes.

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10:35  
Blogger SnotSucker said...

I presume you've lived in Germany to find it so horrific?

I also find it offensive that you referred to America as "her". "Our" or "it" would be more PC and less offensive.

Dean, you better keep quiet because when you VOLUNTARILY enlisted, our citizens feel that you should no longer have an opinion.

And if we demanded that ALL the countries repay their debt to us, our trillion dollars of debt would be wiped out, if not at least cut in half. Germany's debt is just a drop in the bucket...but if it makes you feel better about their country, I'll pull some strings and see what I can do.

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11:49  
Blogger SnotSucker said...

Oooops, sorry I took my rose colored glasses off again :)
Or maybe I would do better with beer goggles, because I could kill some more brain cells....
Ahhh much better, they're back on now & I can again resume my day!

11:52  
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11:54  
Blogger SnotSucker said...

Sooo, all those men & women that joined the military as a result of 9/11 should not have joined then...because they had an opinion and reason for joining.

"So if anyone should be pissed off, it's you AND me. Look at the headlines, that's my homeland too. Support from people that believe in the good things America once was is well appreciated."

Since when is fighting for what America once was so wrong?????

12:04  
Blogger Dorman said...

Under UCMJ I am disallowed from making criticism about elected officials and officers. I have yet to do that. I beg for all of you to find info for yourselves and form your own opinions.

My oath also had nothing to do with relinquishing my right to think, speak, and feel. My opinion does not hinder my ability to perform my mission, and surprise.....I am not alone in the way I feel or assess the situation.

So, what I am supposed to take out of this is that when people "Support the Troops", they are really appeasing us so we stay silent dumb pawns while everything back home goes to the crapper. I am supposed to be proud of the child rapists that litter the news. I am supposed to write a blank check for my pride for all the perversion going on while I am sacrificing everyday for their apparent right to do so?

I gave up a real career to join the army because I was tired of seeing people bitch and moan but never making an effort to make a difference. I say what I do and do what I say. Some people quietly show support of people like me, some people vocally. I would like to see my efforts here, now, and the rest of my military career mean enough to a few Americans, starting with my family and friends, to make a change back to the better. The first step is an informed opinion.

12:31  
Blogger Dorman said...

and this would be a pretty empty page if I remained silent in uniform.

12:33  
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13:18  
Blogger SnotSucker said...

Peter Jennings states in a recent ABC commercial that, "you are more free to express yourself here (in America) than almost anywhere else in the world." I bet he was talking about Germany, wasn't he?

Dean please come home so you can freely tell us how you truly feel.
As for the brainwashed, ungrateful, taxpaying drones of America; wake up, eat breakfast, go to work, eat lunch, come home, eat dinner and go to bed. And not once should you express your opinion.
Hmmm feels good doesn't it?

Actually Dean, don't come home it's everywhere....maybe you shouldn't vote either while you're at it because your vote will include your opinion and those of us back home will have to deal with the stellar politician YOU helped elect.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com
/business/188402_onthejob30.html


http://www.journaltimes.com/
articles/2005/02/11/local/
iq_3372935.txt

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13:25  
Blogger SnotSucker said...

Actually, it affects everyone. Someone is offended and they crawl back in their box, to continue their hum drum life and just exist. This is only a portion of what Dean is trying to point out.

13:30  
Blogger SnotSucker said...

Just trying to make a point. Many blog posts are made with emotional reactions rather than facts. Re-read many of Dean's original posts. There is so much more to this than meets the eye and we all must remember to look at the big picture.
Yes my sarcasm was intentional, and I was just attempting to point out how you're coming across to others.

13:36  
Blogger Dorman said...

Let's play nice. No post should ever be personal, and I think we've teetered on it tonight. As for me, I don't take things personally so feel free to direct any question, comment, or criticism my way. I won't flinch, I invite it so I have another platform to respond with.

(begin warm fuzzy) I meant what I said about my blog and blogger friends in a previous post. If any debate found here ends up alienating someone enough to not return then we have all failed the principle of Freedom of Speech. I dearly hold on to that one. So let's get back to facts, information, and informed opinions. (end warm fuzzy)

Snot is right. Not to toot my own horn, but there are a lot of things in my posts that don't get addressed. Things I think are very important to consider. Now, please, on with the fun......

13:45  
Blogger Dorman said...

OK, I've read it 4 times nowand have to ask. Matt_and_River......can you clarify the points youare making in the first comment? What is the significance of changing the comparison from Germany to the Middle East? Deep down I think I agree with the whole nuke thing but they (those with the predisposition to this culture...ahem) have spread throughout civilized societies like Europe and North America. Nuking the land won't get them all. Flushing the Koran only keeps that particular book from corrupting a few in the future. (Can you believe I just said that?)

Please expand on your view.

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15:31  
Blogger mattandriver said...

Ok Dorman, Side bar Please! Thanks.

15:41  
Blogger SnotSucker said...

I aplogize if I offended anyone with my sarcasm to the point that they removed their posts from this blog. However, should a post be made such as the one that I responded to (that is no longer here), be prepared to take the heat and criticism. If you cannot, then maybe this is not the place for you. The point I was trying to make is that no one, whether they be a soldier, taxpayer, or a citizen of a third world country be told to be quiet and just do their job.
I was defending a close friend's back, and obviously made my point. If I misinterpreted your post, I am sorry. Be careful how you respond, because it can be portrayed in many different ways, (much to my chagrin).
Very similar to our previous dialogues regarding interpretation of the Koran and Bible isn't it? Interpretations can cause emotional reactions.

Crys, I've enjoyed your viewpoints so far and enjoy reading your posts. You're a very intelligent woman. I like the fact that you can "hang" and respond to the criticisms related to your posts. I was invited by Dean to dialogue and to help keep things going. I do not have a platform. However, I try to tie in issues as they arise and correlate to Dean's "big picture". I just go with the flow. I encourage yourself and everyone else to read his posts and responses more thoroughly and act rather than react. And yes, I'm guilty as well of reacting, as you can see today.
Keep up the good work and Happy Blogging!
P.S. I promise not to post when I'm in a sarcastic mood.

15:53  
Blogger SnotSucker said...

Enjoy Dean,
Someone that sees the big picture:
http://www.socialcritic.org/

16:52  
Blogger Presley Bennett said...

I told Dean I wasn't going to post anymore and I'm not, but for reasons that I believe he understands and have nothing really to do with anything that's been written here. But I can't email you Crys as to what happened today, at least I couldn't find an email for you on your profile, so will put it here.

I was very upset with Dean's post today and I openly expressed it in a way that I came to regret. I do not want to get into arguments with someone in uniform serving in a dangerous place as much as I may disagree with his positions. It's just not consistent with how I believe I should approach supporting our military, something I have been doing actively through various soldier support organizations since the beginning of OIFI.

Perhaps once Dean's back in the states he'll blog some more and we'll see how I feel about disagreeing openly with him then.

This is just my reason, personal to me, and I don't think it needs to apply to anyone else.

20:25  
Blogger Presley Bennett said...

I think it means sincerity, that's what I thought it meant. I think it clearly does. I sent you an email.

22:17  
Blogger SnotSucker said...

How about genuineness? :)
Hmmm my motives....well as I mentioned before I'm here as a "middle man"/devils advocate. I had never blogged before, until Dean had asked me to get involved. Frankly, I just don't have the time to create and upkeep my own blog. My motive today was to defend my friend and the Freedom of Speech. Yes, many of my posts today seemed unconstructive, but as we've read, they were in response to posts that are no longer here.
My first response today was cynacism directed toward a portion of what is wrong with the American society..."drafting" as you can say off of mattandriver's comments. My comments pertaining to money and the rich relate to the billions of dollars we are pouring into this country. If we were truly there to help rebuild, there would be many more humanitarian organizations involved performing the work rather than "contractors". Why can't we allocate these funds to the UN and such to rebuild, rather than the profit/dividend hungry corporations??
All of my posts pertain to the topics/issues Dean has listed in his blogs, although many times they are vague, it is for a reason. A test is not a test if one has all the answers.
I apologize if I do not come across clearly, but I know that Dean understands what I'm expressing.
I hope this clears things up a little. If not, let me know and I will be happy to digress!

22:19  
Blogger mattandriver said...

So many issues, and so little time!!! Speaking of time, mine is limited at best so I will keep this short and sweat. As 'crys' pointed out, many of us have to share our time, knowledge, and energy among many different areas daily. Myself, I coach kids sports, work a 40+ hour job, and am raising 1 1/2 kids. (1/2 meaning she spends the other half with her 'mother', but that is another discussion)

First, to 'Dorman'... I am sorry if you did not get the middle east connection. I have never been know as a writer or public speaker. I used the 'Middle East' for two reasons. (Sorry for the numbers but if 'crys' go without proper punctuation, so can I.)

1) You are relating your point of view, at least in writing, to you're personal experiences. You are in Iraq, are you not?

2) The following is copied from your own entry. " Germany, for example is a Socialist Democracy. Germany has not seen conflict since 1945". If the Middle East has been in conflict since, well, forever... then maybe it is time for the U.S. to intervene. Then again, maybe not! What I do KNOW is I am also a veteran. In my short term in the U.S. Armed Forces, I have seen (to my best account) a total of 14 countries. This list would include UAE(United Arab Emirates), Iraq and Iran. I spent over 9 months over there in Desert Storm. I spend over 2 weeks helping a group of Marines sand bag a camp, watching Scud Missiles fall within 20 miles of my point.

Then, after launching what was to be the largest military operation in history, (I speak in lagististics) we slap Saddam Hussein on the wrist and walk away. Ever wonder how many Iraqis have grown to hate the U.S. after we pulled out? (ok, we never fully pulled out, but you know what I mean, I hope) I was like a family of children watching the police just give a talking to a father who just raped a nation, only to have the father come back into the home and do the same to his kids!

Anyway, I have spend way too much time typing this. Let's wrap up.

Does the average American take for granted what he/she has. You are f%$#(*& right!!!!!! If all power, water and government would be wiped out today, the average American would die!

Is the current situation over in Iraq being led by selfish U.S. corporations? I am sure it is. Please forgive the inaccuracy as it is late, but I believe over 90% of the United States wealth is controlled by 10% of it's people.

Is the U.S. in bad shape. YES! I think it is. Relatively speaking, we are a country without our own heritage. We are a country with a history of selfishness and greed.

Is there change needed, in my option? Yes!!! But tomorrow I have to spend my time teaching my 11 kids on my baseball team how to play! This, I believe, is where life is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

22:39  
Blogger Dorman said...

Ok, mattandriver seem to have gotten my point, Crys, let me clarify some more for you. America is the GReat Metlting Pot, not the Great Jumbalaya. So ethnicity, race, previous culture should all go right out the window when you cross the border and become a resident of the USA. My reference to France and Germany seems to be greatly taken out of context. My point was that if you are German in France and don't like France, you go back to Germany. The German-French don't start a Special Interest Group and wrestle politic power for civil rights away from the French. So somewhere along the lines it was dreamed that when Americans come to the shores to become citizens, they give up their previous nationalities, cultures, and languages to become American. Makes sense to me, but maybe that hasn't happened through history. So what then is the solution? I don't think any country can survive if it is so divided.

Crys, I don't draw conclusions for people, I point out information and hope it sparks the desire to find out individually what the answer is, to form own opinions. I post what I see, some of it is on a big picture political / social level. Some of it is on a small picture personal experience level. If I seem to contradict, take frame of reference into account.

If most Americans aren't silent and passive on these topics then one must assume that they condone or promote them. Maybe they do and I just never picked up on it. Maybe I am the vocal minority.

Oh, and just because anyone was born with a certain genetic makeup doesn't earn them special priveleges. Sorry, my line is this; unless you first-hand experienced the suffering, give it up and build your own future. History is just that, the past, and until we can look at ourselves as just humans, instead of hyphenateds or a color, until we can stop planting the seeds of discontent in our childrens' minds at school, we will never get past our differences.

00:18  
Blogger Dorman said...

A history lesson on why I hold such things important.

According to Gibbon, the Roman Empire succumbed to barbarian invasions because of a loss of civic virtue among its citizens. They had become lazy and soft, outsourcing their duties to defend their Empire to barbarian mercenaries, who then became so numerous and ingrained that they were then able to easily take over the Empire. Romans, he believed, had become effeminate, unwilling to live the military lifestyle.

From the Wikipedia

I am not espousing everyone get 'macho', but please see the point of it all.

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07:23  
Blogger SnotSucker said...

Thank you mattandriver!!!
It's nice to see someone that took off their rose colored glasses!

07:26  
Blogger Dorman said...

Once again, I am so glad you are part of this discussion, Crys, I truly respect you.

But now for your opinions :)

1) "and i don't believe people automatically give up their nationalities when they become an American citizen"

They should, else why leave the country and culture you came from to be here? If the old culture is worth hanging on to, then stay home.

2) "but your unwillingness to understand their faith is a difference many have not gotten past. you have to understand that extermination, even though this is still the wrong path, is impossible. we are in a position where we must understand, we must find common ground, and we must do what we can for others in order to survive."

Ok, honestly, why must we? We can survive by rejecting a plague that is infesting the entire world. Sweden recently wrote an article decrying the woes of having large middle-easter muslims moving in and taking over towns, bogging down their social systems because they are antithetical to Swedish culture and refuse to assimilate or contribute. How about Islam needs to come into the 21st century instead of forcing the rest of the world to accept a culture from 1000 ad?

3) On one hand you want peace,love, and a big warm hug around their bigotted necks (muslims), but then you praise mattandriver's opinion that we nuke the whole freakin' place. And I am the one that contradicts myself?


And one additional thing that I was pondering today while sitting in the 120 degree sun, our national idea of what a bad religion really is. I may do a relatively short blog entry in a bit because it is slightly past this topic, so be prepared.

08:31  
Blogger Dorman said...

Jumbalaya

This is what happens when previous cultures are not relinquished.

BTW, my ancestors came over on the boat too. Big deal, where is the Italian-American Gimme-Gimme Fund? Oh, that's right, we left Italia behind.

08:45  
Blogger SnotSucker said...

http://www.lacitybeat.com/
article.php?id=2086&
IssueNum=102

Here is a little more in depth article related to your Jumbalaya link.

I do not have a tolerance for people that come to our country, regardless of their cultural background, looking for a handout. My ancestors and present family members worked for their American Dream, as should everyone else. We are the land of opportunity, but only if one chooses to seize it. If your too lazy to seize the opportunities available to you, this does not seem like a great country after all. Why should an entire country cater to one culture? Why do we have to change our labels on foods, and the marketing of products we buy everyday? Why can't one learn our language while living in our country? Radio stations with cultural based content are great. I'm not forced to listen to it. Speak your language at home to retain your cultural heritage. But in the workplace and real world, one should be able to assimilate. If you cannot, do not expect that we owe you anything. Everyone is just as free to go home as they are to come here.
My great grandparents came from Germany. Yes, Germany. They spoke German, but also learned English. They assimilated, but did not lose their heritage...
Culture and heritage can be maintained without feeling that you're owed something because of who you are.

10:28  
Blogger mattandriver said...

crys... The punctuation thing was a joke. I am guilty of not taking life too seriously. It is, at time, not a good thing. :-)

15:17  
Blogger Dorman said...

Please Read

What's the problem? Doesn't she know she's Black? Something wrong with being Black? Seems like she's ashamed of being Black,she didn't want anyone to notice.

When you go to a football game and there is some fan dressed up with one of those big huge foam cowboy hats on, you never hear anyone say, "Hey! Look at that guy over there with the glasses on."

This strengthens my point that "racism" in America has gone too far, get over it. Hell, in the Army, if we DIDN'T refer to people as "that Black sergeant over there", or the "White Captain", we'd never be able to distinguish people. Tards. I am pissed.

12:20  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Crys you apperantly don't see the hippocrasy in the US. People like Chris Rock and Dave Chappel make millions off being racist. If a white guy did the same thing he probably get his ass kicked after the show. We (Americans) have become too tolerant to everyones requests. We are too hypenated instead of just being American. America is no longer a melting pot, yes we have different cultures and religions, but these immigrants come over here and they want to change America to their homeland and not become an American, but they will god damned if they don't get everything an American gets. A melting pot is when someone comes to a country and adapts to the country and it society, but retains is culture. Its kind of like the borg on star trek they assimilate to the collective but add to the culture distinctiveness to the collective.

Why is it that African-Americans are the only people who bitch about equal opportunity and everything being unfair. Latin-Americans only get one day a year, and African-American complain that they get the shortest month of the year. At least they get a month. What about White-History month where is our equal opportunity. I graduated from high school not to long ago and you couldn't find one section in my social studies book that didn't have at least something about a great black man. Except in the sections about ancient China. I don't see racism, I see whiny little bitches. I say grow the fuck up, teach your kids that they are not second class citizens. Tell them to put the guns down and pick up a book. Not everyone can be can be an astronaut when they grow up. Would it make them happy if we(as a society) gave them all a record contract. Then where is it going to stop.

If we give African-Americans everything they want, then the Gay community is going to get everything they want, then NAMBLA is going to get everything they want and then people who like to have sex with small woodland creatures are going to get everything they want. Its a snowball effect. There has to be a standard that we should live up to. Eventhough it may infring on someones rights.

Here is a great quote for you its from MetallicA "You can have freedom your own way, if its done how I say"

04:15  
Blogger SnotSucker said...

Anonymous,
Couldn't have written it any better myself! I tried to but yours is better.
Amen!

07:40  
Blogger Dorman said...

Crys, du bist mein Engel und Ich liebe dich. Why, because we disagree so respectfully well. Anonymous got it. That was my point of why we Americans have no shared nationality. America isn't a rehab or a safe-house. It is a country where we should come together. Gays, why are they even a group? Because they chose a sexual actthey become a difefrent form of human? Every other group is based on who they are not what they do.
White people don't have every other month. The implication here is that white people are evil overlords oppressing the hapless masses. The masses are anything but hapless and white people didn't get where they are today by complaining. Methods may not be agreeable but ......

Now we happened to be talking today about 'The Black Girl', well she should have kept her mouth shut if she just wanted it to be amongst her classmates, because now the whole freakin' world knows her as the Black Girl. I told my friends my POV just like I commented here, her reaction was notone of Black Pride, but Black Shame. Like being black is a problem. Seems like only a problem to a few black people. As I was pontification at the HMMWV, another friend walked up and pointed out exactly what you did, that she was the only black girl there and it is embarrassing to be noted by her race. Go back to my previous comments....cowboy hat, didn't she think anyone else noticed. I msuppose if she showed up to her high school prom in her underwear people shouldn't refer to her as the girl in the Bra & Panties either.

Photog didn't know her name and picked the most obvious feature to ID her by. It was accidentally left in because no one else that knew her name corrected it. Wow, if that is racism today in America then we all ought to be standing outside holding hands and singing Kumbaya because we've made great freakin strides!!!

12:30  
Blogger Dorman said...

Oh, forgot to clarify,my friends at the HMMWV were white and Asian, the other who walked up is Black. And sometimes when I am on the basketball court here I am referred to as The White Guy......why? because out of the 6 of us playing, 5 are Black. Duh. Why would I even be sensitive? I *am* white.

12:33  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm a grown man and I like to have sex with little boys were are my rights. Its part of my identity and it been going on since at least the Greek and Roman empires. As an adult I want my rights to have sex with little boys.

This is what happens when you start identifying sexual orientation with identity.


One of my friends are gay, the reason why I still like him as a person IS BECAUSE HE DOESN'T BITCH ABOUT WHAT THE WORLD OWS HIM

00:09  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm a grown man and I like to have sex with little boys were are my rights. Its part of my identity and it been going on since at least the Greek and Roman empires. As an adult I want my rights to have sex with little boys.

This is what happens when you start identifying sexual orientation with identity.

One of my friends are gay, the reason why I still like him as a person IS BECAUSE HE DOESN'T BITCH ABOUT WHAT THE WORLD OWS HIM

00:09  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That is very true the gay person is very cool, I feel fine that he is gay. He doesn't make me feel uncomfortable, and I understand that its his choice.

He even has problems with gays getting married because its a sexual preferance and what would it do to a child that gets adopted to that particular relationship. The child would be very confused.

02:46  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I find it offensive the labels of the gay and lesbian members of the community, why don't we call them homosexual-american LOL

02:48  
Blogger Dorman said...

homosexuals are a group because of action,not genetics. There are no homo-genes. How would they get passed on. It is unnatural in a darwin sense, so the only reason you've accepted it as 'normal' is because you've had it pounded into your head since your precognitive days. Tolerance is fear.

Where is the heterosexual lobby? How about that NAMBLA that anonymous keeps talking about. Great point, the North American Man Boy Love Association may gain political power someday then you'll have to choke that new PC attitude down too.

I saw a Jerry Springer once where a guy seriously wanted to marry his pet pony. Hell, they already lived as man and wife so he wanted to 'legitimize their love' by having a regular wedding, with all the fixins. So now I suppose you're against interspecies relationships? Bigot. Why stop pushing the line of normality back, hell erase the whole damn thing!

07:21  
Blogger SnotSucker said...

Beat me to it. I'm heterosexual. But I don't feel the need to flaunt it. IT'S MY BUSINESS AND MY BUSINESS ONLY! I don't give a crap if you're gay, keep it to yourself. Someone passing me on the street would not know if I slept with men or women. They would only know if I TOLD THEM, or made an ISSUE of it! Don't create problems for yourselves. And don't give me guilt as an excuse for "coming out". You're guilty for other reasons, most likely personal strife. You feel you must make an issue because society as a whole does not condone this practice. So you feel you must force your opinions/beliefs on others for this reason. Because you are not the majority, you would be better served assimilating and going about the remainder of your day.

08:02  
Blogger Dorman said...

How do you determine right and wrong? Apparently when it comes to sex, you draw the line with kids. Michael Jackson doesn't see the problem. NAMBLA doesn't. So who's right and howcan ya tell?

Society must judge some things elseit fall appart to depravative and indecision.

10:10  
Blogger Dorman said...

I personally think a little dignity goes a long way. We have gotten used to airing every perversion and problem to be discussed and forced onto the public consciousness. Lots of talk, lots of politics, but what ever gets resolved or concluded. Nothing really. Just more civil breakdown and less rights for traditional people. The 1% rule. Homosexuality is unnatural by any standard definition, whether its accepted or acceptable is a different level of thought.

Also, drug dealers aren't bad, how can you condemn them? They just provide a service between the customer and the product. You can't lump all drug dealers together, some do it to make ends meet and put kids thru college.

10:32  
Blogger Dorman said...

though the author deleted it....ahem. I hate that. The response was "Homosexuality is not unnatural!"

What planet do people come from nowadays? Let's get Barney about this....do 2 mens' genitals fit together, no. Can 2 men procreate....no. Given a planet full of gays, what would the name of the first born be? Hmmmm. not unnatural.....

13:41  
Blogger sluggotinfantryman said...

Spending a dime in Iraq or any middle east country is idiocy. They have oil. It is being sold. 22 years in Afghanistan for what?
They cannot defeat 200 guys in pickup trucks with an M1A2 tank battalion ISIS. Literally. Mosul.

Turkey hates us. They are in NATO. Which is a joke. Germany the country that put up 300-plus divisions in WWII cannot even field one now. Effectively.

UK gave us Princess Harry, mask mandate champ, where is Harry riding naked on bridal party girls and killing with an AH64?

As for Iraq, that country has more agriculture than its neighbors, oil, and water. Yet it cannot thrive.

What I learned about Iraq was down to the village level there are tyrants. The shiek that controls all the goat's cows where they graze etc. It is just how it is over there. Weapons of mass destruction? Show me them. My bad they are actually in Iran.

Or will be shortly. As for oil, we got it. Hell Venezuela has the world's largest proven reserves so why are importing anything from Saudis? We have enough to not import any.

Leave the Middle East to India China and Europe to fight over.

What did Dill Kennedy and others get killed for? You tell me 20 years later. 278th showed up. Twice. Or more.

You sign up, you go, heck we are about the only unit in history with stop loss and recall. Why do you think Tiedeman was there? I was under stop loss, was going regardless but was.

I write about it not to forget. So there is actually a record by folks who were there. Like Sergeant Meigs/Jado/Ruel and the rest of the MiTT team guys. Regiment.

I know what we did. Where we went. What went down. Anyone who says they know what someone else did is a liar. When you rolled out that gate it was you. Period.

12-18 guys. 4 hummers or six. The biggest one-horse pony to go out that gate was the election day 37-vehicle convoy led by David Andrews.


The same day/night Hart was lit up by an idiot corpsman who was with the 98th MiTT cadre. From that to SGT Goode carrying a head down the street after the massacre IED day and more it went down. Daily.

Looking back it was a lot more dangerous than we knew while there.
So, if you were there, fobbit, trooper, civilian, whomever you put your ass on the line. We all did our duty. I have as much respect for Motor Pool guys who worked their asses off to guys shooting it out on April 4th.

I am glad this blog is out there stupid comments or not. It has a first-hand account of an event and events. Thank-you.

18:49  

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