Monday, June 27, 2005

I Can't Even Think of a Clever Title for This One....

Ok, let me just admit that I know the limitations of UCMJ and how far a soldier can criticize Officers and elected officials. I am going to toe that line. Here it goes...

I am outraged as a possessor of Common Sense. I just got back from a mission through eastern Iraq, being alert for insurgents, IEDS, car bombs, small arms fire, etc. I returned 'home' tired and soaked in sweat to sit down and read the most absurd insult to American intelligence and to those fellow soldiers that have given their lives for this little field trip.

Has anyone read the latest story on Rumsfeld and his view of the insurgency?? He must really view us Americans as ultra-ignorant. Let me point out some intellectual lowlights from his statements:

"..Mr Rumsfeld said US officials in Iraq have had talks with leaders of the insurgency."

During a round of network TV interviews, Mr Rumsfeld made light of a report by a British newspaper that said US officials have secretly met with Iraqi insurgents.

Meetings go on "all the time", Mr Rumsfeld said, adding that Iraq's government often initiates contact.

"I would not make a big deal out of it. "

Meetings go on all the time? Don't make a big deal out of it??? Apparently these meetings go on near one of the largest of American FOBs in Iraq. Holy shit Batman! I thought the Marines, Army, and Air Force are all here trying to find these folks. No wonder we can't find them, no one would have ever thought to search American strongholds! Why are we meeting with them anyway? Why are we not killing these bastards when we have the chance?

And this bit of information....

"The US defence secretary told Fox News: "Insurgencies tend to go on five, six, eight, 10, 12 years."

"Vice President Cheney, who said in a CNN interview last month that the insurgency was in its "last throes," stood by that comment in another CNN interview Thursday."

Ok, I haven't been to the War College or anything yet, but what does he base this tendency on? Name another insurgency. Go ahead, dare you. If you *can* name one, which I doubt you can, how long did it last after the troops pulled out? Twelve years? That is an unusual number to pick. Why twelve years?

Now before you get all worked up and demand Rumsfeld resign, may I remind you that he has stated several times that it really isn't his fault. Rumsfeld stated that he has indeed tried twice to resign but Bush has not accepted them. In other words, "It's Bush's fault that I am here." Since when can't a person resign from any job? It still is America, right? Land of the Free?

I am outraged that our leadership expects us to lower our IQs so that their 'Emperor's Got New Clothes' scenario appears to work.

Please take the time to read the articles associated with each link. They provide interesting and pertinent information to this discussion.


Blogger Dorman said...

This one is dedicated to you, Bob.

Blogger InterstellarLass said...

The Spin Doctors are at work. Nothing in this 'war' has gone the way the Administration has planned (and I use the term 'planned' in the loosest sense of the meaning). It's now a game of CYA. Why does this surprise you Dorman? There was no strategy going in. Our government lies. The insurgent leaders lie. They have an agenda that is unknown to us, and they attempt to lead the people through mis-direction. They get caught with their hands in the proverbial cookie jar on occasion, back-pedal, concoct a new story, admit as little as possible, release 'the pseudo-truth' slowly. All to protect the delicate American psyche. The reality...I probably don't want to know. I say I do, but the horror of the truth is probably too much for me to contemplate. Or maybe, it's so trivial, I would be horrified at the reason that so many have put themselves in harm's way and lose their lives or never to be the same again, even when they do come home. Politicians have lost my trust and respect. I don't know where to begin to look to try and get that back.

Blogger Dorman said...

It surprises me in its depth. I am now far from sitting and being outraged at the Tv screen. I am far from being 'touched' by memorials to fallen soldiers in my home town. I am close to the source of the TV news, I know the people who are killed. This is now more real to me than anything else. Me sipping a Dunkelweissen in my kitchen in Germany is just a memory now. IEDs and insurgents are my reality. Insurgents that the government that sent me here knows personally, covorts with. It is one thing to lie about why we are here in the first place, that's politics. But to perpetuate the cycle of death for no foreseen gain? I feel cheated on.

Blogger InterstellarLass said...

I have no idea what it is like for you, but I think I would feel violated as well. You are brave, and I respect you.

Blogger Carnealian said...

Seems like it would be easier to say "WE SCREWED UP" than to CEMENT the fact of it EVERY FREAKING DAY for years and years.

Blogger mattandriver said...


Politics. And voting. Tell the average person sitting at home what they are wanting to hear. Kind of scary to be 'in the know' or 'on the inside', isn't it? A burden, to say the least. Thanks for the latest.

Blogger Dorman said...

Gee, thanks for the obvious. Glad you grasped that but that wasn't the point. Not the lying to america again, just the unbeliveable actions. They don't even bother lying about it anymore.

Blogger Dorman said...

It is betrayal. That is what I feel.

Blogger InterstellarLass said...

And deservedly so. At least from my perspective, I don't think anyone is trying to trivialize this story or your frustration.

Blogger Robert Chase said...

You should feel betrayed. All of us should. Unfortunately there are people out there who believe everything this administration says, without questioning it, hook line and sinker. I have a friend who has a name for those types of people : "sheeple".

It makes you think that this administration doesn't know it's ass from a hole in the ground. Cheney says the insurgents are in their "last throes", generals on the ground in Iraq say that's not the case, white house press secretary Scott McClellan stumbling around trying to answer a question on wheteher or not the administration actually said "last throes" and now rumsfeld saying the insurgency could last up to 12 years.

Which is it? Who's lying? The genearals in Iraq or bushco? Someone is not telling the truth and it sucks. I for one can handle the truth. I already have my beliefs about this whole debacle anyways, so I don't the truth would bother me.

Carnealian: This administration will NEVER admit any mistake or that they might be wrong. In their twisted world, they are the only one's who are right.

Blogger Robert Chase said...

edit: McClellan is the spokesman, not press secretary. My bad.

Be sure to tune in at 8 pm (EST) tonight, to hear more misleading statements about Iraq, o the american people.

Too bad I'll be missing it. I have a Nationals game to go to. :)


Blogger InterstellarLass said...

And I will be attending the Ranger game...anyone care to Tivo it for me? Actually, on second thought, I'll just read about it in the foreign press tomorrow. They'll digest and clarify the really good parts for me. Will there be any really good parts?

Blogger InterstellarLass said...

Oh, and now, Talabani is denying the Iraqi's are talking with insurgents. Let the finger-pointing begin.

Who's running this three-ring circus anyway...

Some detailed every-day-in-the-life stories on the BBC site as well.

Blogger Crystal said...

mcclellan is also the son of carolyn keeton rylander strayhorn,
"texas' tough grandma". haha. i just love writing out her full name.

Blogger InterstellarLass said...

That woman is a loon and drives me nuts. Then again so do most people...especially one with four names...

Blogger Crystal said...

she is hilarious, you should actually go listen to her give a speech. she talks extremely fast. but in regards to people with 4 names, my sis has 4 names, and yeah, she definitely can be defined as a weirdo.

Blogger Dorman said...

I've been asked about GWB's speech....

I.L., I only read excerpts from the speech. Right now I think Rumsfeld farted in the pool and everyone is standing there pointing fingers to avert blame. CYA maneuvers. Nothing of substance. I should look into it more.

btw, working on writing up the next interview. Now that the trash has been taken out maybe we can continue with some informed discussions.

Blogger InterstellarLass said...

BBC has the video.

Blogger Dorman said...

OK, on Bush's Speech.....

I must simply put this because I am in disbelief. Here it goes.

I have been through countless weeks of training and briefings to prepare for the deployment and our mission here in Iraq. What I have found:

There is nothing remotely similar here to what GWB has stated in his speech.

There are no terrorists. That's right folks, none. I said it. NO TERRORISTS IN IRAQ. We have insurgents. Insurgents are not terrorists, read the definition of terrorist and their methods. Not too similar to what we have going on here. We have insurgents fighting for the removal of an occupying force and against the progress of such. I do not in any way sympathize with these bastards, but they are not terrorists.

They are definitely not terrorists that are threatening your homeland. They weren't here before we got here. They developed after we didn't leave when the gov't was toppled. They haven't made any threats against american soil that I know of, only americans on Iraqi soil. Think about it, if they wanted to kill american citizens and destroy america, why would they bother stopping in Iraq on the way? Silly premise.

Somehow creating a goal for the war in the form of an exit plan would be "a serious mistake" that could demoralize Iraqis and American troops. Excuse me? I would be demoralized by having a date to leave and a purpose for being here? Really. What kind of dumb shit is that?

What is our mission here? I know my unit's mission, but what is the mission of the US Armed Forces? Please don't start off any response with "To defend..." That isn't a purpose.

Ask these questions to your local politicians. Ask everyone until you get an answer. I don't have one.

Blogger InterstellarLass said...

So, as we suspected, another 'smoke-and-mirrors' misdirection by our leadership. But, I don't think it worked this time around. Time will tell, but I believe it was quickly noted that GWB was again banging the 9/11 drum. Everyone knows now though that there was no link between 9/11 and Saddam. Mention the names of Zarqawi and OBL to remind us that there are bad guys out there. We haven't forgotten they are out there. We know that GWB still can't 'find' them.

I also wonder at the corruption in the Iraqi leadership. While I know that there are Iraqis out there that truly want to see progress in their country, I don't believe that their culture lends itself to being 'free and democratic'. IMO, we're trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. It's more than just rebuilding the roads, bringing clean water, and establishing reliable electricity. We are trying to change the psyche of the Iraqi people. Their perspective on the world, while at the level of basic needs is similar to ours, is radically different. Go back to your concept of 'cognitive construct'. Will they be able to reassess their situation, or will they bend the circumstances to their previous beliefs and experiences?

Changing the habits and culture of a people is not something in which we should be involved. Last night I caught the tail end of a program on Deutsche Welle. I so wish I could have seen the program in it's entirety. One of the things that really made me angry was a scenario where American troops showed up at an Iraqi police station to conduct a training patrol. The problem? At first, the Iraqi police commander claimed to have no knowledge of the planned patrol. Then, once he 'remembered' there weren't enough police to make up the patrol. The next shift? 12 policemen were missing, so still, not enough men to make up the patrol. Finally, the Americans went on patrol with the IA. Then, the IA commander didn't listen to the American sgt. in command and was running willy-nilly through an ambush, storming into a house while the sgt was yelling at him to stop, and then arresting senior citizens as insurgents. The American troops waited around for over 24 hours before they were able to go on patrol, and when they did, it was a disaster. That doesn't breed confidence that the Iraqis will ever be able to 'take care of themselves' as we intend. Total waste of time, effort, energy. Fortunately no American was injured that time out, but an IA member was shot in the leg.

Please also visit the site that is linked to on this page. Very interesting information.

Dorman, all your points are proof of the concept that this is a mess of our own making. I had a chilling thought the other day. I've never considered myself a 'conspiracy theorist', but now I'm not so sure. If there was a plan to overthrow Saddam, was the administration looking for an excuse? Did they know that 9/11 was going to happen? Did they just 'let it happen' to get the ball rolling? That thought sickens me, and before, I would have thought it impossible to even consider such an idea. But, now I'm not so sure. Have I become so jaded that I wouldn't put it past my own country to sacrifice innocent lives for a 'greater agenda'? I know difficult decisions are made every day, but I pray that wasn't one of them that was made by the people that are supposed to protect us.

Blogger SnotSucker said...

I think Bush had the removal of Saddam in his back pocket prior to "gaining" his first term as President. Notice I did not say winning. IMO he is an arrogant man, and wanted to go after Saddam for the mere fact that he made a "fool" out of daddy. I still feel it was possible to do this diplomatically, but our government wanted this done yesterday and put too much pressure on the world to allow any viable solutions. Saddam didn't help matters with consistently lying, but for once he told the truth when there were no WMD's found. But of course we know that doesn't mean they were not there before.
Bush is a business man. He has no clue about war, but I think he should be faulted because any good business man should have a plan. Our government is so sure of itself that it feels our greatness and technology can overcome anything. Obviously they were wrong.
They obviously knew about 9/11 prior, but we'll never know if they were a "participant" per say. I hope & pray that they were not, but I will not put anything past our gov't anymore.

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Blogger InterstellarLass said...

So do I snotsucker. He is the arrogant fool, not his daddy. His daddy and his administration realized there was no way to remove Saddam without opening up Pandora's box. Jr. just wasn't that bright.

Bush is no business man. He never made a good business decision in his life. He was the money man, and it was others that were the idea men, and as such, he had no plan for this war. He just shows up and tries to look as little the fool as possible. Our government's arrogance will be the downfall of us all. 'Pride cometh before the fall.' We'll chop off our own noses to spite our face before we'll admit that we made a mistake.

If I, of all people, can admit I have made mistakes in the past (yes, gasp, it's true!) then certainly our government could as well. It's easy. C'mon guys...just those three little, not those three little words...these three little words.

"We were wrong".


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